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	<title>Comments on: How to register for 2012 events</title>
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		<title>By: M.J. Kelly</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-37036</link>
		<dc:creator>M.J. Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Dec 2011 05:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have capacity to do only so many events. And each event has only so much capacity. Though it&#039;s clear that all our members cannot ride RSVP1 and 2 combined (nor STP for that matter), there are no plans, discussions or hints for RSVP3. Offering a lottery levels the playing field so that all members who wish to ride the RSVP events have a fair shot. If they do not sell out through lotteries, then the general public is invited to register for the open spots.

As for new events, we have a wonderful new ride this year on June 30, the Red-Bell 100, which is a one-day century pledge ride to benefit Cascade youth programs and World Bicycle Relief. See page 1 of the December Cascade Courier for info to date: 
http://blog.cascade.org/2011/12/cascade-courier-december-2011/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have capacity to do only so many events. And each event has only so much capacity. Though it&#8217;s clear that all our members cannot ride RSVP1 and 2 combined (nor STP for that matter), there are no plans, discussions or hints for RSVP3. Offering a lottery levels the playing field so that all members who wish to ride the RSVP events have a fair shot. If they do not sell out through lotteries, then the general public is invited to register for the open spots.</p>
<p>As for new events, we have a wonderful new ride this year on June 30, the Red-Bell 100, which is a one-day century pledge ride to benefit Cascade youth programs and World Bicycle Relief. See page 1 of the December Cascade Courier for info to date:<br />
<a href="http://blog.cascade.org/2011/12/cascade-courier-december-2011/" rel="nofollow">http://blog.cascade.org/2011/12/cascade-courier-december-2011/</a></p>
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		<title>By: June</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-37022</link>
		<dc:creator>June</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quoting Lamar: “&quot;Just for the record”: RSVP2 was not added because of the “hue and cry” but because the new web-based registration system failed to work as advertised and the staff felt that they wanted to do the best they could to “service” those victimized by circumstances that were totally unforeseen.&quot;

Two points:

1.  Are you saying that even if there had not been all the griping on Facebook and your own community boards that you STILL would have had an RSVP2 last year?  Without complaints?  I commend the staff and volunteers for trying to make it right because the new system did fail, but I find it disingenuous for you to say that RSVP2 wasn&#039;t a response to the anger and complaints about the registration system.

2.  This is a &quot;new registration system&quot; that may well &quot;fail to work as advertised&quot;.  (Although this thread proves that it is not &quot;totally unforeseen&quot;.) Therefore the previous question is valid:  will there be an RSVP3 when people who don&#039;t get to ride complain?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quoting Lamar: “&#8221;Just for the record”: RSVP2 was not added because of the “hue and cry” but because the new web-based registration system failed to work as advertised and the staff felt that they wanted to do the best they could to “service” those victimized by circumstances that were totally unforeseen.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two points:</p>
<p>1.  Are you saying that even if there had not been all the griping on Facebook and your own community boards that you STILL would have had an RSVP2 last year?  Without complaints?  I commend the staff and volunteers for trying to make it right because the new system did fail, but I find it disingenuous for you to say that RSVP2 wasn&#8217;t a response to the anger and complaints about the registration system.</p>
<p>2.  This is a &#8220;new registration system&#8221; that may well &#8220;fail to work as advertised&#8221;.  (Although this thread proves that it is not &#8220;totally unforeseen&#8221;.) Therefore the previous question is valid:  will there be an RSVP3 when people who don&#8217;t get to ride complain?</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Bass</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36830</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamar Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Dec 2011 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Just for the record&quot;:  RSVP2 was not added because of the &quot;hue and cry&quot; but because the new web-based registration system failed to work as advertised and the staff felt that they wanted to do the best they could to &quot;service&quot; those victimized by circumstances  that were totally unforeseen.

&quot;Will there be an RSVP3...?______&quot;  nope.  (will there be an increase in the 1400 rider limit?  only if there is an increase in the number of beds available in Bellingham AND a relaxation of the customs and immigration rules for the return border crossing.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just for the record&#8221;:  RSVP2 was not added because of the &#8220;hue and cry&#8221; but because the new web-based registration system failed to work as advertised and the staff felt that they wanted to do the best they could to &#8220;service&#8221; those victimized by circumstances  that were totally unforeseen.</p>
<p>&#8220;Will there be an RSVP3&#8230;?______&#8221;  nope.  (will there be an increase in the 1400 rider limit?  only if there is an increase in the number of beds available in Bellingham AND a relaxation of the customs and immigration rules for the return border crossing.)</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36757</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2011 02:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, I think the RSVP 1 &amp; 2 lottery and rules are ridiculous. There was so much hue and cry last year by the people who weren’t able to register that Cascade did an RSVP2. Will there be an RSVP3 when all the complaints come in about this new registration system?_______YEP!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, I think the RSVP 1 &amp; 2 lottery and rules are ridiculous. There was so much hue and cry last year by the people who weren’t able to register that Cascade did an RSVP2. Will there be an RSVP3 when all the complaints come in about this new registration system?_______YEP!</p>
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		<title>By: Dorene</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36600</link>
		<dc:creator>Dorene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just for the record, I think the RSVP 1 &amp; 2 lottery and rules are ridiculous.  There was so much hue and cry last year by the people who weren&#039;t able to register that Cascade did an RSVP2.  Will there be an RSVP3 when all the complaints come in about this new registration system?  

I&#039;m not opposed to a lottery, but I think each member should get to enter and get to have a number (3 or 5) of member entries they can distribute to their friends who are members.  (Which is what I believe Lamar originally posted.)  That way it would increase your odds of getting in.  You still would only get to register once and you&#039;d still have to be a member.  If more than one person in your group got selected they&#039;d relinquish their other entries.  That seems more fair to me.

At least in previous years you could be rewarded for getting up early and/or being diligent enough to register when the process started.  With this new system if my group isn&#039;t fortunate enough to have our entry drawn we are out of luck and we don&#039;t ride.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just for the record, I think the RSVP 1 &amp; 2 lottery and rules are ridiculous.  There was so much hue and cry last year by the people who weren&#8217;t able to register that Cascade did an RSVP2.  Will there be an RSVP3 when all the complaints come in about this new registration system?  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not opposed to a lottery, but I think each member should get to enter and get to have a number (3 or 5) of member entries they can distribute to their friends who are members.  (Which is what I believe Lamar originally posted.)  That way it would increase your odds of getting in.  You still would only get to register once and you&#8217;d still have to be a member.  If more than one person in your group got selected they&#8217;d relinquish their other entries.  That seems more fair to me.</p>
<p>At least in previous years you could be rewarded for getting up early and/or being diligent enough to register when the process started.  With this new system if my group isn&#8217;t fortunate enough to have our entry drawn we are out of luck and we don&#8217;t ride.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Bass</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36576</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamar Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Going for a bike RIDE&quot; is actually easier.

With the increase in the numbers cycling, getting into &quot;events&quot; IS getting more difficult -- eventually, all events &quot;max out&quot; (RAMROD went to a lottery ~7 years ago!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Going for a bike RIDE&#8221; is actually easier.</p>
<p>With the increase in the numbers cycling, getting into &#8220;events&#8221; IS getting more difficult &#8212; eventually, all events &#8220;max out&#8221; (RAMROD went to a lottery ~7 years ago!)</p>
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		<title>By: Rich</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36569</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Dec 2011 16:43:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Going for a bike ride is getting more and more complicated every year!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going for a bike ride is getting more and more complicated every year!</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Bass</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36161</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamar Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2011 15:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rich G -- Option 2 will not work.  EACH PERSON CAN ONLY BE ENTERED IN A LOTTERY ONCE – EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A MEMBER OF A GROUP

Lamar Bass says: 
Monday, October 31, 2011 at 12:42 pm 
10/27 UPDATE/CORRECTION: it will NOT be possible for each member of a group to enter the group in the lotteries — a name may be entered into the lottery only once, whether as an individual or as one of a group. the odds will be minutely better as part of a group: as a member of a group of 4 in a lottery with one other individual or group, the odds of being selected/winning are 1 in 2 or 50%; as 4 individuals in a lottery with one other individual or group, the odds are 1 in 5 or 20%; obviously, in a lottery with 2000+, the difference will be insignificant.

Please note that: (1) if your group “wins” the lottery, all are not required to register in order for others in the group to do so; and (2) if one of your group chooses not to register, their “right to register” CANNOT be transferred to someone else.

How you register depends on whether each and every one of you ONLY wants to ride if ALL of the group can go; or, if the group will ride even if one or more don&#039;t make it in.

AND, if it doesn&#039;t matter to your group whether you ride Fri-Sat or Sat-Sun, then enter both lotteries.

10/26 UPDATE: RSVP lottery procedures: You can enter both RSVP lotteries, but you will only be drawn for one event. RSVP1 will be drawn first. If your name is in both lottery pools, and you win RSVP1, your name will be removed from the RSVP2 lottery. The RSVP2 lottery draw will take place after the RSVP1 draw is complete. This will give participants a better chance of being drawn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rich G &#8212; Option 2 will not work.  EACH PERSON CAN ONLY BE ENTERED IN A LOTTERY ONCE – EITHER INDIVIDUALLY OR AS A MEMBER OF A GROUP</p>
<p>Lamar Bass says:<br />
Monday, October 31, 2011 at 12:42 pm<br />
10/27 UPDATE/CORRECTION: it will NOT be possible for each member of a group to enter the group in the lotteries — a name may be entered into the lottery only once, whether as an individual or as one of a group. the odds will be minutely better as part of a group: as a member of a group of 4 in a lottery with one other individual or group, the odds of being selected/winning are 1 in 2 or 50%; as 4 individuals in a lottery with one other individual or group, the odds are 1 in 5 or 20%; obviously, in a lottery with 2000+, the difference will be insignificant.</p>
<p>Please note that: (1) if your group “wins” the lottery, all are not required to register in order for others in the group to do so; and (2) if one of your group chooses not to register, their “right to register” CANNOT be transferred to someone else.</p>
<p>How you register depends on whether each and every one of you ONLY wants to ride if ALL of the group can go; or, if the group will ride even if one or more don&#8217;t make it in.</p>
<p>AND, if it doesn&#8217;t matter to your group whether you ride Fri-Sat or Sat-Sun, then enter both lotteries.</p>
<p>10/26 UPDATE: RSVP lottery procedures: You can enter both RSVP lotteries, but you will only be drawn for one event. RSVP1 will be drawn first. If your name is in both lottery pools, and you win RSVP1, your name will be removed from the RSVP2 lottery. The RSVP2 lottery draw will take place after the RSVP1 draw is complete. This will give participants a better chance of being drawn.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich G</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-36068</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2011 18:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am trying to get clear about the RSVP lottery.  I have a group (less than 6 people) who want to do the ride this year.  How should we register?  Seems like there are  a couple options.

Option 1:
One group entry with all names, request to ride either RSVP1 or RSVP2.

Option 2:
Multiple entries.  Each member of my group registers as the point of contract for their own group with all groups having the same members.  i.e. 6 groups but only 6 total riders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am trying to get clear about the RSVP lottery.  I have a group (less than 6 people) who want to do the ride this year.  How should we register?  Seems like there are  a couple options.</p>
<p>Option 1:<br />
One group entry with all names, request to ride either RSVP1 or RSVP2.</p>
<p>Option 2:<br />
Multiple entries.  Each member of my group registers as the point of contract for their own group with all groups having the same members.  i.e. 6 groups but only 6 total riders.</p>
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		<title>By: Lamar Bass</title>
		<link>http://blog.cascade.org/2011/10/event-registration-procedures/comment-page-1/#comment-35603</link>
		<dc:creator>Lamar Bass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Dec 2011 15:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s still being discussed because there&#039;s a good chance that it will sell out before EXPO.  (It sold out this year in mid-March, the earliest on record and almost a month earlier than 2010.  I think it could sell out during &quot;member&#039;s only&quot; registration, 1/10/12-2/6/12.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s still being discussed because there&#8217;s a good chance that it will sell out before EXPO.  (It sold out this year in mid-March, the earliest on record and almost a month earlier than 2010.  I think it could sell out during &#8220;member&#8217;s only&#8221; registration, 1/10/12-2/6/12.)</p>
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