3/8/13 UPDATE: We had a great conversation with Rep. Orcutt this week about his email, his position and more.
3/4/13 UPDATE: Lawmaker apologizes for email saying cyclists’ breathing causes pollution, The Seattle Times
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Today, we circulated a screen shot from an email exchange between State Rep. Ed Orcutt of the 20th District and a constituent about the proposed “bicycle tax” and noting that bicycling was bad for the environment due to all the exhaling of CO2. While I had received it from a trusted friend and ran with it, some folks asked to verify its authenticity, a good practice after recent hoaxes that have embarrassed the media (see: Manti Te’o).
I can confirm that the email is legit. Here are the original exchanges between Rep. Orcutt and small business owner Dale Carlson of BikeTech in Tacoma:
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Subject: RE: No new bicycle tax
From: “Orcutt, Rep. Ed” <Ed.Orcutt@leg.wa.gov>
Date: Mon, February 25, 2013 9:59 pm
To: Dale Carlson
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Dale,
I am not a fan of much in the House Transportation tax proposal nor of many tax proposals, but I have to admit I think there are valid reasons to tax bicycles. Think about this for a moment: Currently motorists are paying to use their cars on the roads while they are actually driving their cars. At the same time, they are paying for bike lanes because there is no gas tax — or any transportation tax — generated by the act of riding a bike on the roadways. So, if cars pay for the roads they are using, it only makes sense that bicyclists would also be required to pay for the ‘roads’ they use when they are actually biking on them.
Also, you claim that it is environmentally friendly to ride a bike. But if I am not mistaken, a cyclists has an increased heart rate and respiration. That means that the act of riding a bike results in greater emissions of carbon dioxide from the rider. Since CO2 is deemed to be a greenhouse gas and a pollutant, bicyclists are actually polluting when they ride.
I know, you own a car and drive so are paying gas tax — but not while you are riding your bike. When you are driving your car and generating gas tax you are also driving on the roads so are only really paying for the roads when driving — not while biking.
Sorry, but I do think that bicyclists need to start paying for the roads they ride on rather than make motorists pay.
Ed
Representative Ed Orcutt
20th Legislative District
Olympia Office:
408 John L. O’Brien Building
PO Box 40600
Olympia, WA 98504
O ed.orcutt@leg.wa.gov
e 360.786.7990
—–Original Message—–
From: Dale Carlson
Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2013 9:40 PM
To: Orcutt, Rep. Ed
Subject: NC: No new bicycle tax
HOUSE INTERNET E-MAIL DELIVERY SERVICE
TO: Representative Ed Orcutt
FROM: Dale Carlson(Non-Constituent)
SUBJECT: No new bicycle tax
MESSAGE:
People who choose to ride a bicycle instead of driving a car actively
reduce congestion, save wear and tear on our roads and bridges, and reduce the state labor needed to patrol our highways. Additionally, bicyclists produce fewer emissions and reduce healthcare costs through increased physical fitness. Therefore, it is unfair for bicyclists to subsidize the construction and maintenance of highways that they impact far less than the motorists. If anything, new bike purchases should earn a $25.00 tax credit because of the savings they provide to the state.
Not only do I believe that a bike tax is unfair in principle but the proposed amount is disproportionately large compared to vehicle excise taxes in the state. A tax of $25 on a $500 bicycle purchase is 5% of that sale. The vehicle excise tax in the proposed package for the state is 0.7%. The federal government even offers tax credits on electric vehicles, up to $7,500 depending on the value of the vehicle. It’s absurd that Washington state plans on taxing bicyclists while such a credit system exists to promote energy efficiency. Bicycles are far more efficient even than electric cars. Bicyclists already pay substantial sales, property, and federal taxes which fund two-thirds of transportation spending in Washington. Bicyclists who own cars pay the same license tab and other car-related taxes even if they drive less.
This new tax would also hurt the bicycle industry in the state of Washington, an industry that already competes with internet vendors and bordering states with lower sales tax. Bicycle stores near the edges of our state have been impacted for years by the reduced sales tax in Oregon and Idaho. Residents would have 25 more reasons to purchase bikes outside of Washington should this proposal pass. In-state bicycle sales would also be lost to internet vendors based elsewhere which neither pay taxes in Washington nor employee residents of Washington. Surely the loss of tax revenue on in-state bicycle sales would offset the forecasted gains from the proposed tax.
Dale Carlson, Owner
Bike Tech
Olympia, Lakewood, Tacoma
Thanks to Dale Carlson for speaking up.
>>>If you haven’t already, join Dale by telling your Washington State legislators that they can do better on our transportation package. We’re working hard in Olympia to make it better, and every voice counts!<<<
In case you’re still thinking that people who ride bikes don’t pay for roads, you need to read this and this and this and this, too.
Tom at the Seattle Bike Blog talked to Rep. Orcutt today to confirm that he does believe bicyclists are polluting the air through excessive exhaling.
Side note: I’ve heard reasons to slow down on a bike ride, but this is a new one for me.



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You’re all starting to reap what you’ve sown. This rep. has the Supreme Court and the EPA behind him when he says (falsely) that CO2 contributes to so called man made global warming. Stop voting for the progressive social engineers like this Orcutt nut and you might just see more common sense in your capitol.
Pretty typical right-wing nuttery, BGW. This “progressive social engineer” is nothing of the sort, and is–of course–a Republican. Nice try to blame somebody else, though.
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Aweonao.
I have never heard such idiocy! When are they going to start taxing pedestrians for the use of the roads & sidewalks? My daughter’s family all ride bikes, and I know there are a lot of people who bike throughout Washington State. The exercise they are getting is making them healthier, probably helping to save money for the healthcare system, too.
What. an. idiot. Go ahead and propose a tax, Mr. Orcutt, but to say something stupid like this: “a cyclists has [sic] an increased heart rate and respiration” — Er, this would also include joggers (and people running or walking in general), manual laborers, swimmers, people doing yard work, having sex, walking dogs, playing sports, watching sports, walking up stairs, walking up hill, playing with their kids or pets, boating, skiing, cleaning house, … it’s pointless to go on with anymore obvious examples, like, — pretty much everyone who’s not sleeping and is doing some kind of activity?
Also, does Mr. Brilliant Legislator forget that a lot of folks who ride bikes also own motor vehicles and pay the associated taxes?
Then there’s this, from the first paragraph of his own webpage: “…my agenda: more jobs, not more taxes.” I guess he didn’t mean to say that.
Next time why don’t you read the entire article and not just the the part that is highlighted, before you a make complete fool out of yourself.
This “lawmaker” strikes me as not being very bright. It is a miracle he has not called on transportation tax for pedestrian. People do walk on the street -some times- and how about a pollution tax when people use the toilet? Here is an idea. How about allocating some funding for bicyclist education. May you all ride with the wind on your back!
In the words of Bugs Bunny, What a maroon, Doc! Amazing that anyone can be so ignorant and shortsighted at the same time. I bike over 6,000 miles a year, and I’m pretty sure I’m helping the planet, not hurting it.
Ed is obviously not in his right mind. It’s amazing that people like this get voted into office in the first place.
http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2011/10/how-dutch-got-their-cycling.html
Wow. This is a low blow. You twisted his words to make a headline. Please, he was being clever or sarcastic or just showing off what he learned in science class today. It doesn’t matter. He took the time to read your letter, and responded directly to your arguments with some pretty informative points and considerations. He even APOLOGIZED for disagreeing with you.
as for the negative impact on the WA bike industry, especially buzzword small businesses owners, you know the expression..
That’s just business.
So, Dale …don’t you own a bike shop? As a businessman, i wonder if would this be considered a form of free advertising?
Shame on you
are you his wife or something? if you take away all the wrong things this article may say or reveal or whatever…
he still wants to tax people for heavy breathing!!
and your disregard for the economy is shocking, i’m debating if this is satire or sarcasm still..
also, if you re-examine the article.. this was an email between the politican and a shop owner. the shop owner shared it with a third party who then posted it – the shop owner probably did not see this coming
its people like you who show me how President Bush got into office – please stop voting
Vote this guy out, ASAP. The state government should be populated with people who have common sense.
I have heard this argument before….my comeback is that “whilst exercising for 1 to 2 hours my hearate may be higher…but for the 22 or 23 hours I am not exercising my heartrate is much lower…also, my breathing is more shallow and pure for the 22-23 hours than yours as I am fitter and need less oxygen to power my body as its more efficiently deployed than yours”
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I did a back-of-envelope calculation:
CO2 per mile for car getting 20 mph = 446 gram
CO2 per mile for average person riding bike 15 mph = 17gram
But carbon source is different. The gasoline carbon is newly introduced to the atmosphere while the carbohydrate carbon the cyclist burned came from plants which obtained it from the atmosphere (of course the plants had to be farmed and the food transported both of which take fuel).
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Ok so we can also say that exhaling of CO2 can be used by trees to create their food ( photosynthesis). So the Cyclist help trees in Photosynthesis than non-cyclist.
BGW – If you think this “Orcutt nutt” is a social progressive I think you may misundertand what that actually means. A social progressive would more likely suggest the $25 tax credit. A social progressive wants to protect the environment, see people get healthier, have a more representative government instead of one run by big business. A social progressive understands the need for a robust public education system vs a system of vouchers that supports private secular & church schools. A social progressive understands that corporations are not people despite what the conservatives on the Supreme Court say. A social progressive knows that there is a battle going on between the dis-information of the right wing and the boots on the ground reality of the struggling and shrinking middle class. A social progressive understands that tobacco kills every third addicted user, that women are paid only a fraction of men, and that having birth control available reduces unwanted pregnancies and unwanted abortions. But hey…if in your world the EPA and Clarence Thomas, Scalia, and Chief Justice Roberts are all on the same team…well…that’s just an interesting little world (a tiny little world) you live in.
Is Mr Orcutt a comedian by trade? I have never seen such warped logic. DO NOT VOTE FOR THIS MAN, with this type of argument he is going to let eveybody down, not just cyclists.
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If the Republican Senator is worried about “Exhaust Fumes” from Humans then they need to curtail the “Exhaust Fumes” from Rand Paul.
I live in Scotland so forgive me for interfering.I would be very interested in seeing this politician’s research on which he bases this statement.Presumably on the same basis joggers should also be taxed?
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I don’t give a hoot about the CO2 they put out, but, many of us need to take a course, and be licensed, on traffic laws and courtesy (as do many licensed automobile drivers, more than once in their lifetime).
Hey, I got this idea from a policeman who was tired of watching cyclists ignore the common laws that drivers were expected to follow if they didn’t want to get a ticket. (you know, little things like stopping when required, not operating your vehicle in a pedestrian only walk, not hitting pedestrians, staying within the speed limit [really], etc)
He started giving cyclists tickets for breaking the same laws that get drivers a ticket. Don’t think I’m an “anti-cyclist”. I cycle as well as drive. Drivers could benefit by an added segment in the state driver’s test about how to SAFELY pass a cyclist on a two lane road without a shoulder!
Many drivers haven’t a clue and endanger themselves, the cyclist, and on-coming traffic by completely crossing over double yellow lines into on-coming traffic. If government worked, with the help of motorists and cyclists alike, to make it easier for cyclists and drivers to travel together it would be a breath of fresh air for all!
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How on earth does that idiot find his way to the bathroom? Perhaps, rather than worrying about passing a bicycle tax, he should concern himself with passing that dense boulder up his ass… his head.